Global News 16x9 reveals the young women and girls who are being lured by ISIS recruiters, including pockets of underage teens here in Canada who have left, tried to leave, or are hoping to leave Canada to join ISIS. Through exclusive, hidden camera footage with a 13-year-old girl thinking of joining ISIS, through a Skype interview with an ISIS fighter trying to recruit a 15-year-old Canadian girl to travel to Syria to marry him and through expert analysis, 16x9 gets inside the world of Canadian teenage girls trafficked into a brutal warzone, and asks the Canadian government what it’s doing to stop it.
Hi Everyone and welcome to 16x9's live chat. Let's begin with a couple of view questions:
I don't think most parents know how to properly monitor.
Leo is right in that most of these parents are either working long hours during the day, working night shifts, etc. and also are not entirely proficient in social media like the younger generation may be. They probably haven't heard of Twitter before.
A consent is only needed for under-age children. The issue is how old is too old for parental consent? plus, how do you stop forgeries? Leo
Any tips for parents? Can't be easy to monitor online activity 24/7
I think the threat we face is very different than in the past. We used to face organized armies that may or may not end up on your shores, not broadly networked and inspired individuals who "tap into" a narrative already out there and decide to carry out an attack with very little actually connection to these movements (i.e. Zehaf-Bibeau)
Amarnath, will Bill C-51 make a difference if it is passed? Are there any provisions or new powers that can stop young women being lured overseas/
I don't think we had the same type of terrorism during WW2 or Cold War. That was more spy vs. spy than trying to destroy a society through acts of terror. Anarchists, in the past were closer to this type of terror. They were ultimately defeated by police action. Leo
Great question Marie. I feel like age may be a differentiating factor more so than gender, but I'm sure it plays into it. What's your take?
i was involved with the family of Mahmoud Mohammad in Hamilton who dropped out of school to join isis only to be killed within a few months. his mom thought he was with his dad, his dad thought he was with his mom. he was on a plane. when the mother found out, she invited csis and rcmp to come to her house and to look through all her son's computers in a valiant effort to prevent him from crossing into syria. unfortunately, she was too late.
I don't think C-51 is going to do anything. Information sharing is important, but as we saw with the recent arrest of the Pakistani man, old fashioned intelligence gathering and law enforcement still works quite well.
it would be interesting to look at military recruitment in the Canadian forces amongst minority communities. however, i don't think that those who want to join isis can be persuaded to join the cdn army instead. they believe in their 'cause'. we need to show them that the have misunderstood the 'cause'
Hi Anon, "national service" in all shades: military, community, etc., might not be a bad idea in order to instill patriotism, civic values and as a way of learning more about Canada. Leo
what is needed is more robust partnerships with communities, specifically the Muslim Canadian communities across Canada. they are the front line workers in this battle for the hearts and minds of young people
Playing devil's advocate re: C-51...what about the people on the "watch list" who haven't yet been arrested under current laws. If C-51 helps arrest them, could that be considered 'doing something'?
Part of the jihadi ideology is a deeply-held belief in Western hypocirsy and injustice towards Muslims communities. Many of the people I've interviewed in Syria believe that it is morally sinful to stay in Canada/west and continue to pay taxes to support a government that is waging war against "my people". It's not a simple attraction to the military ethos.
most legal scholars do not think c51 is useful in preventing criminal radicalization.
I guess I have a different take. I think C-51 is long over-due. you need outside parameters as to what constitutes glorification of terrorism - among other legal issues. Without getting into a legal wrangle, our services need to have more flexibility, regardless of past arrests. The terrorists are way ahead of us in terms of sophistication. Leo
the partnership can take many forms. for instance, the government can support youth engagement programs that target newcomer communities (not just Muslim communities) so that our youth feel engaged and enfranchised in canada. the partnership can include funding moderating voices in the canadian muslim communities. there are many ways the partnership can manifest. historically, there has been very little in the form of these types of partnerships.
This I guess is the big debate about women. I don't really like words like "recruited" or "lured" because it tends to take agency away from men and women who join these movements. Most men and women we've interviewed are there because they want to be (another argument can be made for those under 18 - but most are in their 20s). They have actively rejected the west as run by "man made laws" and want to live under what they consider to be God's laws.
Whatever the jihadi philosophy, it will use any and every reason to attack the West, regardless. I have no doubt that they would adapt and justify their ideology. You can always find a fault with a democracy precisely because it is so. Leo
Hussein - do you find govt hesitant to engage in those partnerships or what's holding the process back, in your view?
Latifa - isis is trying to persuade young Western Muslims that the "West' has declared war on Islam and Muslims. they argue that these countries do not care for Muslims but rather want to harm them. they point to the language of the leaders in the West to say "this is a war on Islamic radicalism' as proof that there is a war against Islam. Young people who are not well aware of their religion believe this and feel it is their 'cause' to fight to the Islamic team. which they understand to be isis