In our story, the recruiter was clear re: handgun/belt warranted "for protection" specifically. Not for combat.
Silvester - I agree with you except that isis recruiters paint a picture of paradise for the girls in isis lands. they lure, lie to and trick young impressionable girls that life is horrible in the west but blissful in isis lands. they are liars who are stealing our sisters and daughters away.
Thank you WhattheGorayaOG for your comments. Are there any other things that you think are inaccurate, or misguided in the way media talks about foreign recruits?
The sunset clauses in the Anti-terrorism Act are no longer there. There are virtually (like none) no Criminal Code provisions that have sunset clauses. Bill C-51 is a needed step towards filling in legislative gaps. Leo
Sharon - your question is complicated. i will try my best to answer it. the word "imam" means the one who stands in front of others in prayer. Unfortunately, unlike the shia communities, or even the Catholic communities, the Sunni Muslim community has no hierarchy or a national organization that certifies who an "imam' is and who is not one. so anyone with a "long beard" or some knowledge of the Islamic text can claim to be an Imam. this is an unregulated industry. so there may be "imams" who say stupid things. these guys are not part of the council of imams or have any legitimate creditentials from an Islamic university. but in the public sphere, they look like Imams.
i don't want to blame the media because it is the media is usually the fall guy, but sometimes good work or good statements from people do not attract media attention. that's the nature of the business i guess.
Is our government naive in saying it's going to "shut down websites" that promote terrorism?
For those in favour of c-51 what do you think the most effective measures of the bill will be? And those against it - what measures will have a negative impact?
Sharon - I believe that there is real positive effect with the anti-Isis comments from mosques. it is hard to measure if any person in the audience was persuaded against isis if they do not communicate that. what i do know is that people in rcmp and csis have said to me that they have seen that the statements from the council of imam denouncing isis has had an impact. for this reason, they asked me to set up a meeting between rcmp and csis with the council of imams. i agreed. they met and next week they are hosting a conference together.
I think information sharing is important. If someone shows up at the airport with a gun shot wound, they should be able to cross-check and share that info with CSIS/RCMP to see what's up. If I read parts of the bill correctly, the new bill may solve some of this.
But, the "promotion of terrorism" part I can live without
Hannah, it is naive, because the internet is truly unregulated, except in North Korea, China, where they can control it. That's why we need laws along the lines of international "tourist" sex trafficking that creates a crime for anyone outside Canada to advocate pro-terrorism on-line, regardless where they or the servers are located. That is something Bill C-51 needs to improve upon. As for the rest of the Bill, it equals the grounds upon which police can obtain these varioius judicial orders. Leo
shutting down websites is not the right strategy, although some websites should be shut down. we need to prevent the attraction of isis. we need to give young people meaning and belonging here in canada. we need to win over their hearts and minds
It only took a matter of a week before the man claiming to be an ISIS fighter hooked up with our "15 year old" Canadian girl. And he was very explicit about what she was supposed to do - including making sure to bring "fancy underwear" with her. In the case of Amanda Todd, it was too late, but at least charges have been laid. How can we ever believe charges or any other Canadian law can do anything to curb this recruiting. I think we, and our politicians, are naive. I think this problem is goign to grow substantially
I agree it will grow, and perhaps some / all the laws are inadequate, but we need a legal basis for people to know what is legaly wrong or not. Leo
I've said this over and over, but the internet is not a cause of radicalization. It's an enhancer of radicalization. There is no evidence of a guy coming home from the bar and watching an Awlaki video and being like "ah ha, this is what I needed". The internet is a medium for information, just like the newspaper. It's a way to talk to people. Just like the telephone. Yes, it increases the scope and speed of these conversations, but it's not some unique thing that needs to be understood separately.
Khara, we have such a law (foreign army) on the books. Leo
Yes, Sadaf. But what is "true"? No religion has only a single view. Leo
khara - I agree with you. i have said it publicly before. we should make it a criminal act to join any Canadian citizen to join any foreign army or military organization. if you want to join an army, join the canadian army. there should be fidelity to canada alone.
Hamza Yusuf is treated in jihadi circles as a murtad (apostate). And hence the problem.
Amar, I agree. But the internet is also the greatest and most potent prosetylizing force ever. Leo
Hi Naila, thanks for that. Why don't you email me directly to talk about your writing: firstname.lastname@example.org
Can you expand on that last comment Amarnath?
Khara, the law has an exception for armies that are not deemed to be enemies of Canada. The history of the law dates back to the 1930s and the Spanish Civil War. so, the Kurdish army is exempt. Leo
according to the rcmp, there are approximately 130 "foreign fighters" [this is defined to mean Muslims who have joined some entity abroad]. when Israel declared war on Gaza, approximately 120 Jewish Canadians left Canada and joined the IDF. in GAza more then 2000 people died, the vast majority of them civilians. hundreds of them children. it is not right for canadians to join any of these foreign conflicts.
What effect do you guys think Canada's mission in Iraq is having on potential foreign fighters in Canada? Will expanding the mission have an impact?
Hamza Yusuf and other scholars like Yasir Qadhi who are speaking out against ISIS have been dismissed by supporters as apostates and "coconuts" (brown on the outside, white on the inside - i.e. sellouts). ISIS has even declared the premier Al-Qaeda jihadi theoretician, Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi, to have "gone soft". So, yeh. :)
it is true that hamza yusuf is considered an apostate amongst those who have drunk the kool aid. i don't care for them that much. i care for the young person who is exploring joining isis. we need to get to them before they have fallen over the cliff.
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We can happily or unhappily discuss the Gaza numbers and who was or was not a combatant. The point is Hamas is a terror organization and the IDF is not.
Vassy - i think that increasing the mission in Iraq will have problems. what isis will try to do is characterize canada's actions as a war against Islam. if they are successful in characterizing in that way, more young people will feel obliged to assist their fellow religionists. it does not help that PM Harper uses words like "war against jihadists" all the time and in his fundraising efforts. this plays into the isis recruiters hands.
yes, we can discuss the actions of the IDF another time. but it will not change my perspective that we should not allow canadians to join foreign armies when they can join a canadian army.
Ironically, I agree we should pull out - except that if a slaughter occurs, as prior to the US, Canadian, etc. involvement - who will be the first to say that Canadians don't care for Muslims and that the "world needs to respond"? If we all agree that the Muslims have to kill each other until there is a clear winner and that no outside force should interfere, then that's another story. Leo