the clip of the 13 year girl really distressed me. she has her whole life ahead of her, and she wants to throw it all away to be someone else's sex slave.
she is too young to know what she is getting into. in grade 8, i too was lost.
I know that I sound harsh, but what is the alternative to letting them fight it out as Iran and Iraq did? The West is damned either way and either way IS will use their actions and inactions as a recruiting tool. Leo
hussein, yes, we the 13 year old was extremely troubling. she said she "didn't even care about getting married" but as amar told us, often these girls are expected to get married and start families quite quickly.
Hey June - there was a lot of that earlier this afternoon! Scroll down if you have time:)
I dont see Leo and Hussein as disagreeing actually. I think Leo would agree that you do everything possible to prevent, but there comes a time when law enforcement may be the only approach.
June - I agree that we need to spend more time and effort on prevention. work is being done in communities across canada. obviously, some are slipping through the cracks. just next week in toronto will be a conference bringing together csis, rcmp, muslim scholars, activists and imams to discuss prevention.
Khara _ "Western countries" is what I mean.
khara - good point. the number one victim of isis are sunni Muslims. more sunni Muslims have died by their hands then any other demographic.
No matter who is luring or recruiting underage girls this becomes human trafficking, in my view. And I have a hard time believing what happens to those underage girls is any different in this case than in the many, many examples of human trafficking of women in any country at any time - they become the property of men and, almost always, sexually abused. We, in the west, talked about rescuing the girls kidnapped by Boko Haram. Isn't the same for young women lured to ISIS?
but -devil's advocate - agency is something to consider. As Amarnath points out, most of the time it's people here contacting the recruiters first...I'm not saying the 13 year old, for example, isn't a victim - but some experts take issue with the word 'luring' ;)
Laurie, in Law this is not trafficking. It may seem like a difference without a distinction, but it is an important difference, which C-51 is meant to cover. Leo
in my anecdotal experience, there are 4 types of people who join isis: 1. zealots or fanatics that believe in the religiosity of their cause; 2. young people who have grievences; 3. people with mental health issues and 4. white converts who use islam as a protest religion. if we want to prevent these people, we need to address each issue/category differently.
@ Hussein - thanks for your comments. i believe that isis has united the vast majority of the Muslim world in condemning their brutality. Muslim communities have been very vocal in condemning isis and terrorism. scroll below and you will see the link to the council of imam's website that i included as well is shaykh hamza yusuf's sermon.
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however, the Muslim community still has lots of work to do in my estimation. we started a pilot project in hamilton with training Imams to detect behaviour changes that may indicate radical thoughts. there is also training to deal with mental health issues. this way we need to get imams on the same page to recognize inappropriate behaviours.
I think the show was important for giving us some evidence of what many have suspected for some time. It shows that this issue, while not unique to ISIS, is certainly happening in greater numbers and reaching farther than before. The Syrian conflict has been a fundamental game-changer for the global jihadi movement. Our response needs to be multi-faceted and nuanced, and seek to empower communities to understand the issues at play and address them accordingly. Thanks everyone!
Amar - how would you 'empower' communities? what would you recommend?
I want to thank Global for airing the show and doing this blog. The discussions, controversies and disagreements are quintessential Canadiana - especially since all 3 of us are born elsewhere and immigrated to this wonderful country. That is why we want to keep it safe. That is why this was such a great opportunity. This is exactly what IS wants to destroy and why we need to work so hard. Leo
thanks again to my fellow panellists Leo and Amar. all three of us sit on the Cross Cultural Roundtable on Security. We are all committed to keeping Canada and Canadians safe, although we disagree from time to time on how to do that. we are all Canadians. Thanks to global for organizing this forum.
Thanks everyone! Great discussion.
thanks everyone for taking part!